Starting $25nl 6 max Zoom

by PokerAnon ~ April 20th, 2014. Filed under: Micro level poker, Poker theory, Rush/Zoom Poker.

* Modified April 26th, 2014 *

Interesting hand, at least for me. I’ve started playing some $25NL 6 max Zoom.

The first couple of sessions I felt like when I’ve played $50NL and $100NL full ring cash in the past; worried, afraid that I’m out of my skill level and comfort zone. That’ll happen after not being a reg for a few years, after focusing on $10NL for the past few months, after never having been a long term winner at Zoom/Rush for any length of time. I’m not really concerned though. After 35,000+ hands at $10NL 6 max Zoom plus some at Rush in the past 3 1/2 months, I just need a bit of time to get comfortable.

Seat 1: Calypse11 ($35.51 in chips)
Seat 2: yinhaowei ($20.19 in chips)
Seat 3: Figueiras8 ($63.23 in chips)
Seat 4: luckyficker ($20.52 in chips)
Seat 5: abbi555 ($25 in chips)
Seat 6: PokerAnon ($27.53 in chips)
yinhaowei: posts small blind $0.10
Figueiras8: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PokerAnon [Ts Tc]
luckyficker: folds
abbi555: folds
PokerAnon: raises $0.50 to $0.75
Calypse11: folds
yinhaowei: raises $2.25 to $3
Figueiras8: calls $2.75

I’ll flop a set 12% of the time, so I’m generally looking for somewhere north of 15-1 implied odds—higher than 7.5-1 because of the times that I won’t be able to earn a stack when I hit the set—and with a proper 3 bet you don’t often get those odds. Here I’m up against someone short so my odds are 17 ÷ 2.25 = 7.6; barely enough for the basics, but, the deep stack flats. Weird play, especially at Zoom where you don’t have great player reads. For me, I have only 4 hands on both players so my stats are useless.

So I opt to complete because the depth of the second player adds to my implied odds, though I don’t know how to estimate exactly. Against him I’ve got 24.5 ÷ 2.25 = 10.9, so better, but, I don’t know that you can just add the 10.9 and 7.6? Maybe. But I know it’s better than either, so at least 15 – 1 total.

(Edit: Hmm, maybe I should be including the 2.25 in the implied odds; 17 + 2.25 ÷ 2.25 = 8.6 and 24.5 + 2.25 ÷ 2.25 = 11.9?)

*** FLOP *** [2c Td Kd]
yinhaowei: bets $7
Figueiras8: calls $7

Now it gets interesting. The short 3 bettor is committing, but the deep stack just flats again. I think worst case scenario is the short stack has KK and the flatter has a flush draw, in which case I’m way behind and there are dangerous draws.

It’s also very likely the short stack has AK or AA. I’m less concerned at this point about him, and more interested in the deeper stack. I’d like to get more from him committed.

PokerAnon: raises $7 to $14

I minraise because 1) it looks like a donkey play, 2) it makes it easy for them to go with the smaller bet, 3) it gives the short stack room to think he’s being aggressive by shoving over top, and 4) it gets us all pot committed, even if they both just flat.

yinhaowei: raises $3.19 to $17.19 and is all-in
Figueiras8: calls $10.19
PokerAnon: calls $3.19
*** TURN *** [2c Td Kd] [7h]
Figueiras8: checks
PokerAnon: bets $7.34 and is all-in
Figueiras8: calls $7.34

The short stack does shove, and the deep stack flats again. I don’t remember, but it’s possible I could only call at this point and not raise? I have to say, it went by really quickly for me and I was surprised when I had any choices on the turn. I thought we were already all-in.



Pokerstove (there is a working version for 2014) says preflop I’ve got 19.4% (pretty much the standard 80-20), AA has 75.5, and AK the remaining 4.9%. My odds are decreased because I’m up against two players but increased because they have some of the other players’ outs, so I guess for me it evens out. That’s probably an additional consideration when considering the total implied odds that I have preflop, even when I don’t know their hands but put them on a range.

I have it set to always run it twice, but I guess one or the other didn’t have that set. Mind you, they’re both pretty dead on the turn.

The short stack play is fine. I guess the deep stack was trying to trap him, and he would have been in great shape if I had folded, if he hadn’t increased my preflop implied pot odds by flatting. If he had 4 bet (I fold immediately) he still would have had the short stack’s stack as the short stack likely shoves/calls anyway, but I guess the thinking is that the 3 bet from the small blind, especially against a CO raise, doesn’t always mean a premium hand, so he wanted the short stack to catch something or to commit by continuation betting the flop if he misses.

Maybe in his situation he could consider min-4-betting preflop? To kill my implied odds, and to see if I spazz, and if I fold, to get the short stack thinking he’s got a good situation to shove preflop over top? He’s stuck in a gross spot when I min-raise the flop after he’s flatted the bet. He doesn’t want to commit against two others with just an over-pair, but maybe he has to, in which case he should be shoving over the original flop bet to try to isolate.

Not the biggest pot I’ve ever won in dollars or in bbs, especially since I’ve played mostly full ring and up to $100NL before, but nice as one of the early sessions yet at $25 Zoom.

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