Taking Super Turbo strategy to Short Stack Full Ring poker

by ~ June 30th, 2008. Filed under: Micro level poker, Philosophy and approach, poker, Super turbos.


After a downswong with the super turbos I made a try at 4 tabling $25NL playing with $5 (20 BBs).

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The downswing took place over 8 missed ITMs over 2 playing periods. Anytime I miss ITMing too many in a row, in this case 4, I stop, at least for a hour or maybe a day. I don’t know that I go on tilt at this point, but what I’m hoping to avoid is clearly going on tilt, which I suspect that I might do if I miss too many in a row. In other words, after missing 4 I might not be on tilt, but if I miss one more, or if I get sucked out on with a bad call in the next one, I’m more likely to be on tilt so I want to stop before I get there.

Obviously I’m not multitabling these or 4 wouldn’t be my stopping point. And I’m placing a lot of attention/focus on these or 4 wouldn’t be a stopping point either.

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But the short stack tables were interesting, though I only played a few hands. After that I had stacked up a bit on 2 of the tables so I left all of them. Part of the short stack strategy is to leave after you win because you can no longer use the full strength of playing short stack and at the same time you don’t have a full stack to use the strength of a full buyin. I guess if the table was juicy enough you could rebuy to a full stack and keep playing. Basically in between stack sizes I don’t see as useful at all unless you are a rookie and are trying to protect yourself from yourself.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold’em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.comHand History Converter

  • BTN: $26.50
  • SB: $5
  • BB: $7.95
  • UTG: $27.75
  • UTG+1: $31.25
  • Hero (MP1): $4.65
  • MP2: $8.10
  • CO: $21.05

Pre-Flop: 99 dealt to Hero (MP1)

UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25,

  • A limp and a call ahead of me. I’m likely up against mid/low pocket pairs, two big cards, or suited connectors so I decide I’m ahead of enough of the range to show that I have a hand.

Hero raises to $1.35, 5 folds, UTG raises to $4, UTG+1 folds,

  • everyone folds except UTG who wants me all in, I think. One of the reasons that I chose to try this as $25NL is because that’s were I played full ring most recently so I have the best chance of being able to read the players. I still put him on the same range of hands. $25NL is a bad level to slowplay AA/KK from early position because players aren’t agressive enough and won’t raise you to isolate. QQ/JJ/TT is a possibility but so are 88 and down which I dominate, and two big cards which I’m on the plus side of a coin flip with.
  • And here’s where the deceptive part of me playing short stack comes in, as I’m better in general than most short stack players. Most don’t know how to play well and are only playing with a short stack because they don’t want to lose too much and are more than willing to lose the minimum buyin for a shot with A-rag. There’s a definite possibility that he’s reading me as one of these players overvaluing AT and down, possibly suited.

Hero raises to $4.65 and is All-In, UTG calls $0.65

He had AJs which missed and I doubled up.

Afterwards I was thinking, I’m on the plus side of a coin flip, but in a ring game I want to take that edge. In a super turbo against bad players, I don’t necessarily want to take that coin flip, especially early there’s a better chance for me to outplay them later.

Here’s another one.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold’em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.comHand History Converter

  • SB: $4.75
  • BB: $19.85
  • UTG: $14.15
  • UTG+1: $25.25
  • UTG+2: $32.75
  • MP1: $18.45
  • MP2: $40.05
  • CO: $24.90

Hero (BTN): $5.25

Pre-Flop: KA dealt to Hero (BTN)

5 folds, CO raises to $1,

Here I’ve taken the blinds or something so I’m up one BB. I wanted to 3-bet, but then realized that doing so would leave me with $2.

Hero raises to $5.25 and is All-In, 3 folds

I dunno if the CO was cursing me under his breath, but 3-betting would be silly with my stack size. It’s also possible that he was stealing with something marginal. Since that’s possible, I definitely have fold equity. Just calling behind with AK is fine, if you have a full stack and so does the other guy. But if I call here the pot is already $2.35 with the blinds yet to play and I’ve only got $4 left. I don’t have enough left to float, so one of the advantages of having position is gone.

Another point; being all-in I negate my positional advantage, but really, with a short stack I have no positional advantage except with a limped pot, otherwise the pot is too large relative to my remaining stack to be of a threat to anyone.

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